Davan Winch (davan@ww2.org.uk)
Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:15:16 +0100
Must admit that we have never had a problem with any insurer - partly due to
the fact that we have not so far (touching vast amounts of wood and other
good luck charms) made a claim.
I hope we have done all we can by being a charity - I know many other groups
have gone down this route or the limited company route. From our point of
view we would not survive without charitable status - we would go bankrupt.
Davan Winch
Chairman, WW2 Display Team
Registered Educational Charity No 1065760
Email davan@ww2.org.uk
Web http://www.ww2.org.uk
UK Re-enactment Webring
http://www.ww2.org.uk/ring.html
----- Original Message -----
From: david <david@cresseda.novar.co.uk>
To: <histrenact@mailgate.novar.co.uk>
Sent: 15 August 2000 21:50
Subject: Subject: Re: [Histrenact] - Advice needed - Constitutions and
Single 'Rulers'
>
>
> Forwarded from Mike due to a bounce
>
>
> > Hi there:
> >
> > Just a comment re. the insurance ref's in the original message. It would
> be
> > more important to establish from the onset just who was a member of XYZ
> > group and when they were and were not acting under the "control" of that
> > group, rather than whether or not the group "existed" in a certain shape
> or
> > form. No insurer worth his salt would dare try to claim that the group
he
> > had taken premium payments from suddenly didn't exist when it came to a
> > claim. As the insurance and premiums would normally be negotiated and
> paid
> > by one individual on behalf of a group, it would make sense to have it
> > specified that that same indivdual was the final authority on who was
and
> > was not covered by the policy in the event of a claim. A potential
> problem,
> > for example,
> > would arise if a faction of the group proper went off to do its own
thing
> > without some sort of
> > formal arrangement with the "mother group". All this relates really to
> > public liability cover,
> > of course. Personal accident cover for re-enactors should not tie the
> > individual to a specific
> > group or event.
> > I quite agree that the "job" of insurers is to try and avoid paying
> claims.
> > But only in the same way that all members of the public are cheats who
lie
> > and
> > attempt to defraud insurance companies at every opportunity!
> > I can only assume that the author has had bad experiences with certain
> > insurers. I know I have, and a couple of other re-enactor and pyro' user
> > friends of mine. That's why we started out own insurance agency. We have
> > negotiated some basic (but cheap!) personal accident cover for
> re-enactors,
> > pyro' users, firework users, and others. Feel free to check us out at
> > http://www.sinserve.com
> > Cheers! Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: david <david@cresseda.novar.co.uk>
> > To: histrenact@mailgate.novar.co.uk <histrenact@mailgate.novar.co.uk>
> > Date: 15 August 2000 10:10
> > Subject: Re: [Histrenact] - Advice needed - Constitutions and Single
> > 'Rulers'
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Received from Davan and forwarded due to a bounce.
> > >
> > >> Hello everyone!
> > >>
> > >> A very interesting thread here which I am sure quite a few have
> concerns
> > >> about.
> > >>
> > >> As a near 'single ruler' of a group (Yes I have been referred to as a
> > >tinpot
> > >> Hitler once or twice) I hope I do the best I can (I do have a
committee
> > >> which can and does 'regulate' me, but we are small and sometime not
> > >> everything can be put to them in the timescales forced on me).
> > >>
> > >> I would say that I am not about to offer a defence for the situation
> > these
> > >> people find themselves in. It is unacceptable to treat people like
this
> > >and
> > >> the advice given is spot on. Perhaps encouraging them to visit more
> shows
> > >> based on the period they are interested in would give them a chance
to
> > >meet
> > >> other groups.
> > >>
> > >> We have never thrown anyone out of our group, however, not everyone
and
> > >> every society will fit together. I always offer contacts for other
> groups
> > >if
> > >> they wish to move on. I have refused membership before, but again
> suggest
> > >> groups that may be more suitable (usually someone looking for a more
> > >> infantry based group, rather than our Artillery base).
> > >>
> > >> Moving away from this particular case and onto the subjects of
> > >constitution
> > >> and running groups (which I hope most of my members feel I do a
> > reasonable
> > >> job at and I am sure most groups do) ...
> > >>
> > >> We have a constitution as we are a charity. It is a government
> approved
> > >> constitution - we filled in the blanks - if anyone wants a copy visit
> our
> > >> page and click on legal notices. I personally believe that every
group
> > >> should have a constitution - ours is basic and adequate, we don't
> > >> incorporate 'rules' into our constitution (makes a nasty mess when
> trying
> > >to
> > >> change them). My fear for groups without a constitution is that
> insurance
> > >> companies may use this as an excuse to avoid any payouts (if you are
> not
> > >> 'constituted' you can't exist?) perhaps I am being extreme, but
anyone
> > who
> > >> had dealt with a claim will know that they will do all they can to
> avoid
> > a
> > >> payout or to minimise it - afterall, that's their job.
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure any list member who runs a group/unit/detachment etc will
have
> > >been
> > >> forced to take a path which will have annoyed their members (or at
> least
> > >> some of them), afterall you can't please everyone all the time.
> However,
> > I
> > >> encourage my members to come and take to me and try to resolve the
> > problem
> > >> or at least let me explain why I take certain actions.
> > >>
> > >> What annoys me most are the members who bottle it up or come up to
you
> > >after
> > >> the event has finished when I can do nothing to correct the problem.
I
> > >know
> > >> that may be their way, but it makes it harder to resolve. I'd rather
> > >someone
> > >> let off steam (away from the public obviously) and then allow me to
> > >explain
> > >> myself or resolve the issue, afterall, once there is an undercurrent
it
> > >> affects everyone.
> > >>
> > >> I'll get off my soapbox now.
> > >>
> > >> Davan Winch
> > >> Chairman, WW2 Display Team
> > >> Registered Educational Charity No 1065760
> > >>
> > >> Email davan@ww2.org.uk
> > >> Web http://www.ww2.org.uk
> > >>
> > >> UK Re-enactment Webring
> > >> http://www.ww2.org.uk/ring.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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